Nominations questions

[pocketmouse]

Questions that have come up as we're approving nominations:

Fandoms:

Merged the two Vampire Diaries fandoms that were in the set, since one was already the & Related Fandoms tag.


Warcraft (2016): No one's nominated any of the games yet, so I'm inclined to keep this fandom as-is, if anyone is planning to nominate any of the books or games, we can switch this to AMT to put them all together.

Voltron: Legendary Defenders has some relationships nominated with (VLD) as the disambig, others are using (Voltron). I'm assuming VLD is the only Voltron fandom currently being nominated, yes?

Sailor Moon: this has been nominated specifically for the 90's anime - the canonical tag for that fandom also encompasses the manga. Is using that manga + anime canonical tag OK?

Supergirl is part of Arrowverse, yes?

Top Gear UK doesn't differentiate between hosting eras in AO3 so I am merging the two separate fandom nominations.

Please confirm whether any of the Pokemon nominations (main game, Mystery Dungeon, GO) can be merged to a higher-level tag (AMT).

I've got Power Rangers (series) and Power Rangers (2017). Both relationships in (2017) are also present in (series), can the (2017) fandom be struck?

I have American Gods nominated in both Book and TV, with most of the nominations under TV. I'd like to move them all to TV or make an AMT tag (AO3 doesn't seem to have one yet), any objections?

The Expanse has been nominated in both Book and TV, with the same relationship in both (sounds like nominations from two different people, based on comments. Can these be merged under an AMT?

Game of Thrones and ASOIAF were both nominated - all ASOIAF tags overlap with GoT, which has additional relationships. Unless there are objections, I'm going to remove ASOIAF.


Relationships:

American Gods and GOT/ASOIAF are keeping their seperate fandoms, so please confirm whether there are any relationships that need to move/be added to one fandom or the other.

I've got a Harry Potter relationship nomination for "Harry Potter/Tom Riddle/Voldemort." Please clarify.

I think I've struck all the duplicate relationships (inside a given fandom, not duplicates between fandoms), please let me know if you see any!


Angerboda/Loki/Sigyn (Marvel) has been nominated under MCU and not the general Marvel tag. Please confirm where this relationship should be. Relationship has been placed at the top-level Marvel fandom.

Simon Baz/Jessica Cruz/Diana (Wonder Woman) has been nominated under DCU (Comics) and not DC Cinematic Universe. Please confirm where this relationship should be. Relationship has been placed in DCU (Comics).

I've got a couple American Gods/Supernatural relationships that were nominated under the separate fandom(s). I'm assigning them to the Crossover fandom.

Celebrían/Elrond Peredhel/Ereinion Gil-galad is showing up in a couple incorrect Tolkien fandoms, which one should it be under?

Anything in the Buffy and Angel fandoms that should only be in one versus the other? (Or I could create a Buffy & Angel fandom to merge the noms under)

River-Woman (LotR)/Uinen/Tar-Míriel (Silmarillion) has been nominated under Crossover fandom. Is there a Tolkien fandom that would be more appropriate? This might not be the only Tolkien tag with this issue.

Comments

[agirlnamedtruth]

Oh god really =/ does that mean I can pretty much only offer/request half then of what I would like to offer/request or will we be able to request the same fandom more than once? I don't want to bucket list it in case I get one of the ships I can't or won't write/wouldn't like to receive but to be siphoned down from like 50 to 10 or whatever the limit is AO3 imposes makes it not worth bothering at all tbh.

Also are all spin off fandoms going to be merged? TVD/TO only share maybe 5 characters tops and have had maybe 2 crossover episodes in four seasons. Both have their own plot and run on a different time line. the majority of characters stay within their own shows. Literally the only thing they share is one family of vampires and a werewolf.

It's the same as Buffy vs Angel, Breaking Bad vs Better Call Saul, Once Upon A Time VS Once Upon A Time In Wonderland, Elementary vs Sherlock vs every adaptation of Sherlock Holmes, every American Horror Story, Game of Thrones vs ASOIAF, in fact any film or show that's based on a book. Pretty much 90% of modern media should end up under one "Comic Book" umbrella. Most video games comprise of several spin offs (there's like 15 final fantasy games). Unless everyone reads and watches and plays every single spin off, no matter how small the tangent, it's going to make signing up a nightmare.

[pocketmouse]

Many spinoffs are one fandom to start with, such as Star Trek, or Dragon Age. Buffy and Angel I would actually merge if I could. If the two different fandoms had been nominated separately from the start, then I wouldn't have merged them, but one of the original fandoms nominated was the tag that already included the book fandom, meaning it would have split the requests into two places. Getting everyone who requested to come back and specify which fandom they wanted, or if they wanted both, isn't going to happen in a timely manner. But you can specify in your request -- if you even get matched on this fandom. You're already matching on four unique factors (3 characters plus one fandom), often five if you throw in media type.

I think the limit per request on the AO3 is 20, but you can do 2 requests, that just means you have to make 4 requests at a minimum - Fandom 1, part 1, Fandom 1, part 2, Fandom 2, Fandom 3. So with 33 relationships nominated, it shouldn't take up too much room from other requests/offerings; very few people actually use all their slots, I've found.

[agirlnamedtruth]

I think I was the only one that nominated The Originals and I nominated it under a separate tag. I couldn't do much about the Vampire Diaries & Related Fandoms one because it had already been accepted before I nominated and I assumed if I nominated it under The Vampire Dairies (TV), it would have been moved.

There should be more than 33 though because I nominated 20 for TVD and 20 for TO and there were nominations already accepted for TVD before I submitted mine and there are book ones in there to now so the number should be closer to 50? Please tell me merging them hasn't deleted whichever one got absorbed into the other because the ones I'm most likely to narrow down to are The Originals ones.

I guess I'll have to do 2 lots of 20 then but yeah, I am someone who likes to offer as much as I can possibly offer and request as much as I can so that I'll match easily and so that I'm more likely to be pleasantly surprised by what I match on. It makes it more fun that way but normally everything isn't thrown together to make it that much more difficult if you aren't watching every single spin off and shipping every single ship.

[pocketmouse]

Before the fandoms were merged the only tags that were in the megafandom tag that were not also in the book fandom tag were the two tags with Bonnie. All other tags were duplicates. They may have equaled more than 50 between the two, but the content of the tags was the same. If there are any relationships missing I can try and add them, if it'll let me do it after signups have opened.

[agirlnamedtruth]

Ok bear with me because it’s nearly 5am here and I’m going to have to get up and get my laptop out for this. So far as it’s showing me, The Originals has 23 tags and TVD has 33, with the migrations I pointed out above. I would have copy and pasted straight from my nominations but it’s deleted my nomination for TO entirely from my lists.

I don’t know what you’re seeing but that’s how it looks from a non-mod POV. Still listed as two fandoms just with a lot of migration between the two rather than one megafandom, as you put it. Once I have my laptop I’ll list all the tags and strike through the migrations to see how many I’m missing (I had 20 unique to each, so after migrations I should still have 40 otherwise some have been deleted in the mix up).

[agirlnamedtruth]

ok on my laptop; it's 29 to 33 my mistake.

I copy and pasted them all into a spreadsheet and alphabetised them and deleted any that had appeared in both tag sets so that in theory, I have a copy of what you are seeing with the "megafandom".

Count for the TVD&Related one before sorting however seems to be 32 not 33 and 28 not 29 for The Originals but I'm going to put that down to AO3 being weird.

Before taking out the ones that appear twice, the count is 60 tags.

After taking out the ones that appear twice, the count is 46 tags.

I did however notice that in one tag set there was a Freya Mikaelson/Keelin/Hayley Marshall and in the other it was Hayley Marshall/Freya Mikaelson/Keelin so I've counted that as two separate tags because it's a duplicated not a migration.

Here is the list of tags that appear uniquely in either TVD&Related or TO (including the above mentioned duplicate):

Abigail/Davina Claire/Monique Deveraux
Aurora de Martel/Tristan de Martel/Lucien Castle
Bonnie Bennett/Caroline Forbes/Elena Gilbert/Rebekah Mikaelson
Bonnie Bennett/Caroline Forbes/Rebekah Mikaelson
Bonnie McCullough/Damon Salvatore/Elena Gilbert
Bonnie McCullough/Elena Gilbert/Meredith Sulez
Caroline Forbes/Hayley Marshall/Klaus Mikaelson
Caroline Forbes/Klaus Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson
Davina Claire/Hayley Marshall/Elijah Mikaelson/Freya Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson
Elena Gilbert/Damon Salvatore/Rose
Elena Gilbert/Damon Salvatore/Stefan Salvatore
Elena Gilbert/Elijah Mikaelson/Katherine Pierce
Elena Gilbert/Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson
Elena Gilbert/Hayley Marshall/Elijah Mikaelson
Elena Gilbert/Rebekah Mikaelson/Katherine Pierce
Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson/Katherine Pierce
Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson
Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson
Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Tatia
Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson
Elijah Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson
Eve Labonair/Hayley Marshall/Rebekah Mikaelson
Freya Mikaelson/Keelin/Hayley Marshall
Genevieve/Hayley Marshall/Klaus Mikaelson
Genevieve/Rebekah Mikaelson/Marcel Gerard
Hayley Marshall/Elijah Mikaelson/Freya Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson
Hayley Marshall/Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson
Hayley Marshall/Elijah Mikaelson/Klaus Mikaelson Klaus Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Stefan Salvatore
Hayley Marshall/Freya Mikaelson/Keelin
Katherine Pierce/Damon Salvatore/Stefan Salvatore
Klaus Mikaelson/Aurora de Martel/Lucien Castle
Klaus Mikaelson/Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson Klaus Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Stefan Salvatore
Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Aurora de Martel
Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Damon Salvatore
Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Davina Claire
Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Freya Mikaelson
Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Hayley Marshall
Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Lucien Castle
Kol Mikaelson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Sage
Kol Mikalson/Rebekah Mikaelson/Katherine Pierce
Marcel Gerard/Klaus Mikaelson/Elijah Mikaelson
Marcel Gerard/Rebekah Mikaelson/Camille O'Connell
Rebekah Mikaelson/Freya Mikaelson/Hayley Marshall
Rebekah Mikaelson/Lexi Branson/Rose
Sophie Deveraux/Marcel Gerard/Camille O'Connell
Vincent Griffith/Freya Mikaelson/Finn Mikaelson

Here's hoping that you can see all 46 too because if we can both see them and they're still there in some shape or form after the ~merge~ then I think that's all my nominations unscathed. If you can only see 33 then we might still have a problem.

Since I'm up anyway, I'll try to sign up and see what shows up.

[agirlnamedtruth]

As per the AO3 bug that I'm aware of, 16 tags are showing up in the sign up sheet for The Originals. And no fandom tag at all is showing up for The Vampire Dairies and Related fandoms so I've copy and pasted it in and all 33 are showing up for that one.

Given how much of a mess it's become and how even though they've supposedly been merged, it's only sort of half merged them and more migrated them about that anything, I've had to sign up for Any Relationship in both fandoms to stand a chance of being matched on something, in case I put it under TVD and someone else puts it under TO. It means risking being matched on something I don't really want/won't write very well but I can't really see any other way of doing it.

[pocketmouse]

OK, you're talking about a fandom called The Originals, which is part of TVD -- I was talking about the book tag TVD and the AMT fandom 'TVD & Related Fandoms.' So I haven't touched The Originals at all, because I didn't realize it was part of TVD. If no one else has signed up for it yet, I could try to swap the TVD & RF tag back to the book fandom, if that would work.

[agirlnamedtruth]

Oh, sorry that’s what I was pointing out had migrated and so when you said you merged all TVD hence it wasn’t a migration, I thought you were including TO in that, hence all my other comments about spin offs and going from 40 to 20.

Anyway, I signed up at about 5am (UTC) and am writing my letter now so I don’t know if moving them now will be possible but honestly, if nobody else brings it up as a problem then I’m ok bucket listing the lot. Most are mine anyway and I’ll just have to deal if I get something for a ship I wouldn’t have otherwise requested. I don’t think there’s any ship there that is a hard no for me anyway.